Kamal al-Haydari and ignorance in shia ahadeth


Here we can see al-Haydari citing 5 ahadeth from book of his salaf as-Saduq. Book is Kitab at-Tawhid.

Let us examine them.

All ahadeth here: http://rafed.net/books/aqaed/altawhid/02.html#08

Narration #1, that was cited by al-Haydari.

قال أبو جعفر محمد بن علي بن الحسين بن موسى بن بابويه القمي رضي الله عنه : حدثنا أبي ـ رضي الله عنه ـ قال : حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله ، عن أحمد ابن أبي عبد الله البرقي ، قال : حدثني أبو عمران العجلي ، قال : حدثنا محمد بن سنان قال : حدثنا أبو العلاء الخفاف ، قال : حدثنا عطية العوفي ، عن أبي سعيد الخدري ، قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم : ما قلت ولا قال القائلون قبلي مثل لا إله إلا الله

From Abu Saeed al-Khudri, that prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) said: “Nor I, neither those who before me ever said anything (equal) to words: No one deserve to worship except Allah.

Now let us see problems of chain:

1) Abi Imran al-Ijli. He wasn’t mention as said allama Shahrudi in “Musradrakat ilmul rijal al-hadith” (8/428/17155)

2) Abul Ala al-Haffaf. Ibn Dawud al-Hilli said in “Rijal” (244/#172):

خالد بن طهمان أبو العلاء السلولي (جش) عامي

Khalid ibn Tahman Abul Ala as-Saluse. Amee (which mean he was sunni).

3) Atiyah al-Awfi. In “Mufid min al-mojam rijal al-hadith” (#7710, load it here) of Jawhari written that this person was majhool .

So 3 unknown persons in the chain, and one of them sunni. (I am talking about shia books, Atiyah is well known in our books)

Narration #2, which was cited by al-Haydari.

It’s narration #8 from link that we provided to on-line version of book.

ـ حدثنا أبي رحمه الله ، قال : حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن الحسين بن سيف ، عن أخيه علي ، عن أبيه سيف بن عميرة ، قال : حدثني الحجاج بن أرطاة ، قال : حدثني أبو الزبير ، عن جابر بن عبد الله ، عن النبي صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم أنه قال : الموجبتان من مات يشهد أن لا إله إلا الله ( وحده لا شريك له )  دخل الجنة ، ومن مات يشرك بالله دخل النار.

It’s hadith from Jabir from prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) regarding person who died and and testified testimony of faith, he would enter heaven, and who died and he did shirk would enter the hell.

Let us see the problems in chain:

1) al-Husayn ibn Sayf ibn Umeyrat, Abu Abdullah an-Nakhai. He was mentioned by Najashi in “Rijal” (p 56) without any praise or critic.  In “Mufid” of al-Jawhari it’s noticed that he was unknown. See 3424, 3425.

Narration #3, used by Kamal.

That’s narration #11 from link:

حدثنا محمد بن الحسن بن أحمد بن الوليد رضي الله عنه ، قال : حدثنا محمد بن الحسن الصفار ، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى ، عن الحسن بن محبوب ، عن أبي جميلة ، عن جابر ، عن أبي عبد الله جعفر عليه السلام قال : قال رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم : أتاني جبرئيل بين الصفا والمروة ، فقال : يا محمد طوبى لمن قال من أمتك : لا إله إلا الله وحده مخلصا.

From Abu Abdullah, that prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) said: “Jibrail came to me between Safa and Marwa and said: O Muhammad, glad tidings to those from your nation, which would say sincere: There is no god except Allah alone.

Guess what? This hadith is also not authentic per chain in accordance to shia norms.

1) In the chain Abu Jamilah. Allama al-Hilli at page 407 in his “Khulasat” said:

مفضل بن صالح، أبو جميلة الاسدي النخاس، مولاهم، ضعيف كذاب، يضع الحديث

Mufaddal ibn Salih, Abu Jamilah al-Asade an-Nukhas, their mawla, WEAK, LIAR, FABRICATED AHADETH.

Liar in the chain, and al-Haydari using this hadith.

Hadith #4, which was used by al-Haydari.

It’s hadith #18, which has a similar chain as a 17. And it’s about those who said testimony of faith sincerely and who lied.

Here the chain:

حدثنا أبو منصور أحمد بن إبراهيم بن بكر الخوري بنيسابور ، قال :
حدثنا أبو إسحاق إبراهيم بن محمد بن هارون الخوري ، قال : حدثنا جعفر بن محمد ابن زياد الفقيه الخوري ، قال : حدثنا أحمد بن عبد الله الجويباري ، ويقال له  :

الهروي والنهرواني والشيباني ، عن الرضا علي بن موسى ، عن أبيه ، عن آبائه ، عن علي عليهم السلام

Chain is nothing but bunch of unknown people.

1) Ahmad ibn Ibrahim ibn Bakkar. Sheikh of Saduq. Al-Jawhari in “al-Mufid” (#390) noticed that he was majhool.

2) Ibrahim ibn Muhammad ibn Haroon also unknown. Same source #277.

3) Jafar ibn Muhammad ibn Ziyad was not mentioned as stated Shahrudi in “Mustadrakat” (2/200)

4) Ahmad ibn Abdullah al-Juwaybare wasn’t mentioned. Same source as above, 1/356.

4 unknown persons, and al-Haydari still using this hadith.

Hadith #5, cited by al-Haydari.

That’s hadith #22 from the link. It says that Allah said: Verily I am Allah, there is no god except Me, so worship me, who would came from you with sincere testimony  - there is no god worthy to worship except Allah- he would enter to My fortress, and who would enter to my fortress would be safe from My punishment.

I am citing chain till aimma:

حدثنا أبو سعيد محمد بن الفضل بن محمد بن إسحاق المذكر النيسابوري بنيسابور ، قال : حدثني أبو علي الحسن بن علي الخزرجي الأنصاري السعدي  قال : حدثنا عبد السلام بن صالح أبو الصلت الهروي ، قال : كنت مع علي بن موسى الرضا عليهما السلام ، حين رحل من نيسابور وهو راكب بغلة شهباء ، فإذا محمد بن رافع و أحمد بن حرب ويحيى بن يحيى وإسحاق بن راهويه وعدة من أهل العلم قد تعلقوا بلجام بغلته في المربعة  فقالوا : بحق آبائك المطهرين حدثنا بحديث قد سمعته من أبيك ، فأخرج رأسه من العمارية وعليه مطرف خز ذو وجهين وقال : حدثني أبي العبد الصالح موسى بن جعفر

Chain is weak.

1) Muhammad ibn al-Fadl ibn Muhammad ibn Ishaq was unknow. See “Mufid” (#11556)

2) al-Hasan ibn Ali al-Hazraji wasn’t mentioned as said Shahrudi in “Mustadrakat” (2/446).

Little conclusion.

What do we have here?

Kamal al-Haydari is:

1) Ignorant in shia ahadeth, and there is no any matter for him is it weak or not.

2) He is aware, and he cited deliberately weak shia ahadeth, and didn’t mentioned their weakness to delude people.

3) ??????????????

I don’t see third version.

Original resource article taken from here: http://www.alrad.net/hiwar/hydary/akida/10.08.14-28.htm

4 Comments

  1. Abul Fadl al-Ja`fari

    Salam alaikum ya akhi al-karim:

    Brother, it shows your ignorance to see that you are
    a) without any need, accusing someone
    b) not knowledgeable of the idea that da`if ahadith can be used for fada`il, such as what has been related in al-Suyuti’s Tadrib al-rawi and said of Ahmad ibn Hanbal: “When we narrate in regards to the lawful [halal] and unlawful [haram] we exercise extreme strictness and when we narrate in regards to virtuous and the like (stories and narratives) then we are more lenient.”

    Wa assalam alaykum

    • Wa Alaikuma Salam.
      First of all that your comment shows us your ignorance.

      1) There is a great benefit in explaining to people ignorance and true face of such liar like Kamal al-Haydari.

      2) Scholars of Islam differed in the matters of weak ahadeth regarding fadhail al-amal. Yes, indeed some of them said that such ahadeth are acceptable. But talk was regarding weak ahadeth, not fabricated one. In that video al-Haydari quoted ahadeth where in the chain is either unknown people, or liars. May be in shia world ahadeth with liars in the chain, is simply weak. But from my understanding such ahadeth are fabrications.

      • ithviriw

        “May be in shia world ahadeth with liars in the chain, is simply weak. But from my understanding such ahadeth are fabrications”

        You are absolutely right.
        If so, why don’t you apply your principle to Boukhari Books, where Abou Houreyra, Aicha, and Anas Ibn Malk, constitute 60% of the references, while Abou Hanifa, said about them, they are “LIARS, and inventors of hadiths”.
        Omar, has beaten Abou Houreyra, and forbid him for narrating any hadith, as he was confusing between Rassoulou Allah, aswaws, and his master Kaab Al Ahbar.

      • So, where did Abu Hanifa called them liars? Book, volume, page, chapter. Because as it obvious you are liar.

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