Refuting doubt: My hadith is hadith of my father

Whenever we ask shias why do their books contain so few ahadeth from prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam), they answer: Imam Ja’far as-Sadiq (alaihi salam) says: “My hadith is the hadith of my father, the hadith of my father is that of my grandfather, the hadith of my grandfather is that of al-Husayn [bin ‘Ali], the hadith of al-Husayn is that of al-Hasan [bin ‘Ali], the hadith of al-Hasan is that of Amiru ‘l-mu’mimin [‘Ali bin Abi Talib] (a.s.), the hadith of Amiru’l-mu’minin is that of the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w), and the hadith of the Messenger is a statement of Allah, the Almighty, the Great.”

And now just see, how  Kamal Haydari use this weak hadith to proof his false mazhab!

This hadith was narrated by Kulayni “Kafi” (1/53):

علي بن محمد، عن سهل بن زياد، عن أحمد بن محمد، عن عمر بن عبدالعزيز عن هشام بن سالم وحماد بن عثمان وغيره قالوا: سمعنا أبا عبدالله (عليه السلام) يقول: حديثي حديث أبي، وحديث أبي حديث جدي، وحديث جدي حديث الحسين، وحديث الحسين حديث الحسن، وحديث الحسن حديث أمير المؤمنين (عليه السلام) وحديث أمير المؤمنين حديث رسول الله (صلى الله عليه وآله) وحديث رسول الله قول الله عزوجل.

But, it’s not saheeh even per their norms.

Majlisi in “Mirat” (1/128) said it’s weak ala mash`hur. Bahbude also said it’s weak.

In the chain of this hadith Sahl ibn Ziyad, he’s weak in accordance to agreed opinion between shia scholars. (Najashi “Rijal” p 185; Ibn Dawud al-Hilli “Rijal” p 249; Sheikh Hasan ibn Zaynutdin “Tahrir at-tawusi” p 199; Tifrashi “Rijal” 2/89 and others).

In it also Umar ibn Abdulazeez (not the righteous Caliph, but someone with the same name).

The only one I found with that name in their books is: Abu hafs ibn Abi Bashar, Umar ibn Abdulazeez, known as Zuhal.

عمر بن عبد العزيز، أبو حفص بن ابي بشار، المعروف بزحل – بالزاي والحاء المهملة. قال الكشي: قال محمد بن مسعود: حدثني عبد الله بن حمدويه البيهقي، قال: سمعت الفضل بن شاذان يقول: زحل أبو حفص يروي المناكير وليس بغال. وقال النجاشي: انه مختلط (2)

So as Al-Hili said in his book: “Umar ibn Abdulaziz, Abu hafs ibn Abi Bshar, who is known as Zuhal. Al-Kishi said: …. He narrates Manakeer (Rejected traditions) … and Al-Naghashi said: He is Mukhtalat”

And he is the one that Abu Ja’far ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Eisa narrates from (as Al-Tusi said in Ikhtiyar Ma’rifat Al-Rijaal), which is the case in this tradition.

So unless they can show that is someone else (and I could be wrong here) then it is another weakness that can be added to “My hadith is hadith of my father” tradition … well, if we apply their rules on them that is …

Kulayni also narrated (1/51):

وعنه، عن أحمد بن محمد بن عيسى، عن الحسين بن سعيد، عن القاسم بن محمد، عن علي بن أبي حمزة، عن أبي بصير قال: قلت لابي عبدالله (عليه السلام): الحديث أسمعه منك أرويه عن أبيك أو أسمعه من أبيك أرويه عنك؟ قال: سواء إلا أنك ترويه عن أبي أحب إلي: وقال أبوعبدالله (عليه السلام) لجميل: ما سمعت مني فاروه عن أبي.

It is narrated from him from Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn ‘Isa from al-Husayn ibn Sa‘id from al-Qasim ibn Muhammad from Ali ibn abu Hamza from abu Basir who has said the following. “Abu ‘Abdallah (alaihi salam) said to Jamil, ‘What you hear from me narrate it from my father.’”

Both Majlisi and Bahbude shared view that this hadith is weak. In the chain Ali ibn Abi Hamza, pillar of waqife mazhab, and that followers of that mazhab are kuffar in the view of shias. Imam said to this man: “You and your friends look like donkey”. (Ibn Dawud “Rijal” p 259). Also in the chain al-Qaseem ibn Muhammad, and he was also waqife.

Majlisi narrated similar hadith in “Bihar” (volume 2, bab 19, #21)

جا، ]المجالس للمفيد[ ابن قولويه عن ابن عيسى عن هارون بن مسلم عن ابن أسباط عن ابن عميرة عن عمرو بن شمر عن جابر قال قلت لأبي جعفر ع إذا حدثتني بحديث فأسنده لي فقال حدثني أبي عن جده عن رسول الله ص عن جبرئيل ع عن الله عز و جل و كل ما أحدثك بهذا الإسناد و قال يا جابر لحديث واحد تأخذه عن صادق خير لك من الدنيا و ما فيها

Via chain: Amr ibn Shimr – Jabir – Abu Jafar (alaihi salam).

Amr ibn Shimr extremely weak. (Tifrashi “Rijal” 3/336; Ibn Dawud al-Hilli “Rijal” p 235, 264; Najashi “Rijal” p 128, 287; Allama Amili “Khulasat” p 94, 95, 378).

Shias free to show us single authentic hadith with such meaning from their books. Hadith PLUS chain PLUS direct reference in the shia book PLUS translation.

3 thoughts on “Refuting doubt: My hadith is hadith of my father

  1. This hadith is weak according to answering-ansar standards also, which says in its website about another hadith … “Lastly and most crucially the tradition is weak since it has Sahl ibn Ziyad in its chain who is deemed untrustworthy and weak (See Mo’jam Rijal Hadith by al-Khoi Vol 9 page 354 No. 5639).”

    • First hadith was weakened by Majlisi which said it is mursal, and by Bahbude which said it is weak. As for the book Basair ad-Darajat, it was weakened completly by shaykh ar-Radhy.

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