Did Sayeed ibn Musaib said: No one except Ali ever said ask me?

Salam alaikum.

We have discussed lies and distortions of shia shaykh al-Amidi in few posts. (1,2,3)

Surprisingly one shia dare to protect the honour of their shaykh, and objected to one of our posts by sending us report from Sayeed ibn Musaib.  As usual shia closed eyes on other 2 examples of clear lie from his shaykh, and focused on defence of Liar al-Amidi in one particular case.

Here report from ibn Musaib (rahmatullahi alaih) which cited shia:

Ibn Abdul Bar in “Jami bayan ilm” narrated:

وأخبرنا عبد الوارث بن سفيان حدثنا قاسم بن أصبغ نا أحمد بن زهير نا إبراهيم بن بشار نا سفيان بن عيينة قال حدثنا يحيى بن سعيد عن سعيد بن المسيب قال ما كان أحد من الناس يقول سلوني غير علي بن أبي طالب رضي الله عنه

From Sayyed ibn Musayb: No one from people ever said: Ask me, except Ali ibn Abu Talib, may Allah be pleased with him.

So he seen this report as enough evidence for defence of his shaykh in this matter.

We say:

First of all even if we would accept this report as a true one, it wouldn’t harm ibn Musaib, and wouldn’t help to al-Amidi.  On two other examples we have shown that this shia shaykh feel free himself in deluding his shia readers and attributing lies to sunni books. And if we would accept words of ibn Musaib as authenticly transmitted we would make husni zann regarding this great Imam which has no point to lie and to make quluw in regards sayidina Ali. So he may simply didn’t know that ibn Abbas said the very same things.

As for rafidi liar al-Amidi, by two other examples we have clearly show that this man isn’t truthful in his speech. And he has great need as almost all other rafida to exalt status of Ali, because making quluw is a nature of shia faith.

Secondly this report from ibn Musaib has a weak chain.

As we can see in it there is a link: Ibrahim ibn Bashar from Sufyan ibn Ueyna.

Below I would present to the attention of the respected readers opinion of scholars in jarh wa tadeel about this Ibrahim.

In Tahzib al-Kamal, al-Mizzi wrote:

وقال عبد الله بن أحمد بن حنبل سمعت أبي يقول كأن سفيان الذي يروي عنه إبراهيم بن بشار ليس هو سفيان بن عيينة

And Abdullah ibn Ahmad ibn Hanbal said I heard my father saying: Sufyan from whom Ibrahim ibn Bashar narrated is not Sufyan ibn Ueyna.

وقال أيضا سمعت أبي ذكر إبراهيم بن بشار الرمادي فقال كان يحضر معنا عند سفيان بن عيينة فكان يملي على الناس ما يسمعون من سفيان وكان ربما أملى عليهم ما لم يسمعوا ويقول كان يغير الألفاظ فيكون زيادة ليس في الحديث

And he also said: I heard my father mentioned Ibrahim ibn Bashar ar-Rimadi: He use to be with us in the presence of Sufyan ibn Ueyna and he dictated upon people what he heard from Sufyan, and SOMETIMES DICTATED WHAT HE DIDN’T HEAR, and he said: He use to change texts of ahadeth and happen addition what was not from ahadeth.

وقال معاوية بن صالح سألت يحيى بن معين عنه فقال ليس بشيء لم يكن يكتب عند سفيان وما رأيت في يده قلما قط وكان يملي على الناس ما لم يقله سفيان

And Muawiyah ibn Salih said: I asked Yahya ibn Maeen about him, he said: He was nothing, he didn’t wrote in the presence of Sufyan and I didn’t see in his hands pen ever, and he dictated upon people what Sufyan didn’t say.

وقال النسائي ليس بالقوي وقال أبو الفتح محمد بن الحسين الأزدي الموصلي صدوق لكنه يهم في الحديث بعد الحديث

Nasai said: Not strong, and Abul Fath Muhammad ibn al-Husayn al-Azdi al-Mawsili: Saduq, but he erred in ahadeth after ahadeth.

Imam Bukhari in his “Tareeh al-Kabir” said about this Ibrahim:

سمع بن عيينة يهم في الشيء بعد الشيء

Heard Sufyan and erred in things after (erred) in (other) things.

Dhahabi in “Mizanul Itidal” in the bio of Ibrahim, said:

ليس بالمتقن، وله مناكير

Not muttaqun and he has manakeer (rejected data)

Al-Heythami in “Majmau zawaid” (10359) also noticed weakness of Ibrahim ibn Bashar.