Abu Basir’s testimony against himself and his fellows



Sheikh of shias as-Saduq in his “Maanil Akhbar” (p 165) narrated:

P 165_Abu Baseer testify

١ – أبي – رحمه الله – قال: حدثنا سعد بن عبد الله، عن أحمد بن محمد بن خالد، عن
أبيه، عن ابن أبي عمير، عن منصور بن يونس، عن أبي بصير، عن أبي عبد الله عليه السلام قال:
سمعته يقول: الكذبة تفطر الصائم. قال: فقلت له: هلكنا، قال: لا، إنما أعني الكذب
على الله عز وجل وعلى رسوله صلى الله عليه وآله وعلى الأئمة عليهم السلام.

(Chain till) Abu Basir which said that he heard Abu Abdullah (alaihi salam) said: “The one who lies broke his fast”. (Abu Basir said) I said to him: “We have perished”. Imam said: “No I mean lie upon Allah AzWajal and upon the prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa alihi) and upon Imams (alaihuma salam).

Chain till Abu Basir:

Father of Saduq – Ali ibn Al-Husayn ibn Babaweyh. Muhadith, faqih and shaykh as he was described by Noore.
Sad ibn Abdullah was shaykh of taifa as he described by Najashi.
Ahmad ibn Muhammad ibn Khalid was thiqah as said Hilli in “Hulasah”
Muhammad ibn Khalid al-Barqi was disputed. Hilli and Tusi praised him, and Najashi and ibn al-Ghadairi weakened him, as it is in “Hulasa”.
Ibn Abu Umayr from companions of ijma, some shia scholars said that if chain authentic till them, report is upright.
Mansur ibn Yunus – thiqat and waqifi as it is in “Hulasah”

What kind of result do we have from this report? Imam said that lie is breaking the fast. And one of the top shia narrators said after this – WE HAVE PERISHED. Sure he didn’t mean Imam, but he mean himself and his fellows. If this isn’t clear confession in lie, then what is?

Mushabiha narrators and mushabiha shaykh of Kulayni

How many times we heard such words like:
How dare you to narrated from nawasib?
You scholars authenticated reports from mushabiha!
And etc.


1) Muhammad ibn Jafar ibn Awn.
Ibn Dawud al-Hilli in his Rijaal (p 271, n 436) said that this narrator was thiqat and his ahadeth were authentic, and he also mentioned that this ibn Jafar believed in tashbih.
Same opinion expressed al-Hilli in Hulasa (p 265, n 145).

This mushabiha was from shaykhs of Kulayni.

You can read this info in Turathuna  (24/p228/n53):

هو محمد بن جعفر الأسدي ، الذي هو من مشايخ الكليني
He is Muhammad ibn Jafar al-Asadi, from shaykhs of Kulayni.

2) Harun ibn Muslim ibn Sadan.
Ibn Dawud al-Hilli in his Rijaal (p 283, n 541) said he was thiqat, and has a mazhab in tashbih!
Same opinion expressed al-Hilli in Hulasa (p 291, n 5).

Khamenei advocates hadith of best shia narrators

No kidding, you all remember the chain of donkeys from shia most important book “al-Kafi”.

Let us see what Khamenei says about this hadith:

هل تجوز الرواية عن الحمير؟ كما ورد في في بعض الكتب والمراجع ما روي عن أمير المؤمنين:- إن غُفيراً -حمار رسول الله صلى الله عليه وآله- قال له: بأبي أنت وأمي -يا رسول الله- إن أبي حدثني عن أبيه عن جده عن أبيه: (أنه كان مع نوح في السفينة، فقام إليه نوح فمسح على كفله ثم قال: يخرج من صلب هذا الحمار حمار يركبه سيد النبيين وخاتمهم، فالحمد لله الذي جعلني ذلك الحمار) (أصول الكافي 1/237).
المرجع: سماحة السيد القائد الخامنئي
الغرابة الموجودة في هذه الرواية تنتفي عندما تراجع النصوص القرآنية من كون الحيوانات تتكلم وتتصرف كما في قصة الهدهد والنمل و….
وعلى كل حال لا يوجد في الروايات ما يتنافى مع العقل أو الشرع أو ما يتنافى مع احترام الرسول (صلى الله عليه وآله وسلم) فلماذا ترفضها

Question: Is it permissible to narrate from donkeys? As we saw in some of the books regarding Ufayr …(then questioner cited narration from donkeys)…?

Marji’i: Sayyed al Qa’ed Khaminei’i.

Answer: This narration isn’t weird at all once you read the quranic stories about the Ants and the Bird…
And regardless, there is nothing which contradicts Logic (Aql) or Sharia or hints towards any disrespect for our Prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa alihi)  so why refuse it?

So nothing contradicting to logic? What about fact that Ufayr narrated from his grandfather, which suppose to be a donkey of Noah (alaihi salam)?!!

How many years were between prophet (sallalahu alaihi wa ala alihi wa sallam) and Noah (alaihi salam)?!! Hundreds if not a thousands!

Praise of shia scholars upon mushabih

First of all we should explain what does it mean mushabih, that’s a person who compare attributes of Allah to attributes of His creation. For example he would say: Hand of Allah is alike hand of a man.

I have seen many shias asking us, why do our scholars narrated from khawarij and etc. Let us ask them, why do your scholars narrated from mushabih and praised him as thiqat? The talk is about narrator Haroon ibn Moslem ibn Sadan al-Katib.

Shia scholars: Ibn Dawud al-Hilli in Rijal, Najashi in Rijal, allama al-Hilli in Khulasa, Tifrashi in Nukad praised him, they said he’s thiqat, and all of them noticed that he had mazhab in tashbih!

Source: http://www.alrad.net/hiwar/tajsim/20.htm

Other narrator is Muhammad ibn Jafar ibn Muhammad ibn Own, al-Asade, al-Kufi.

He was named as thiqat by allama Hilli in Khulasa, ibn Dawud in Rijal, Najashi in Rijal and all of them noted that he had mazhab in tashbih.

Source: http://www.alrad.net/hiwar/tajsim/23.htm

Nawasib narrator in shia books

Salam alaikum, many time I was face to face with accusation from shias, that our scholars were narrating from nawaseb!

Ibn Babaveyh al-Qummi in his “Kamal ad-den” (1/82-83) wrote:

Narrated to us my teacher, Muhammad bin Hasan bin Ahmad bin Walid that he said: I heard Saad bin Abdullah say: Neither we have seen or heard about any Shia person leaving the Shia faith and adopting Nasibi beliefs, except for Ahmad bin Hilal. And it is the view of  these people that it is not lawful to use a traditional report narrated solely by Ahmad bin Hilal. And we are sure that the Messenger of Allah (s.a.w.s.) and the Holy Imams (a.s.) will not intercede for anyone except one whose faith Allah had liked. And the one who doubts in the Imamate of an Imam is following a religion other than the religion of Allah.

But this narrator Ahmad ibn Hilal could be easily found in shia books. Examples :

1) “Tahzib al-ahkam” Shaykh Toose 6/48: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1020.html ; twice at 3/37, and once at 3/175: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1017.html

2) “Mustadrak al-wasail” Mirza Noore 11/37: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1099.html; 9/347: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1097.html ; 8/277: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1096.html;

3) Ibn Babaveyh himself narrated from him in “al-Imamam wal tabsera” p 35 :  http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/09/no0978.html

4) “Wasail ush shia” by Hurr al-Amili, twice in volume 24, at pages 51, and 174 : http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1062.html; 7 times in volume 4, at page 40, 198, 325, 326, 376, 433, 448: http://www.yasoob.com/books/htm1/m012/10/no1042.html

And that is only one narrator, that I checked.